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Both "Islamofascism" and "Judeofascism" have been moved here as part of a general program of collecting all the short stubs about non-encyclopedic perjorative political slogans here.

It should be noted that "Judeofascism" fails the Google test, with only 5 Google hits. (50 results currently --OldakQuill 00:19, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC))

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  • Judeofascism This kind of terminology is pure propaganda, just as Islamofascism. I just don't understand why we should tolerate this. If we can't get rid of this kind of stuff, let's redirect it to some List of defamatory political slogans, but why on earth should we wish to have articles with such titles? This is an encyclopedia. Why can't we try and keep it encyclopedic? Kosebamse 19:35, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Seconded. I'm tempted to just redirect to either Anti-Semitism or Godwin's law, because the article seems to be an example of same.Vicki Rosenzweig 22:06, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Delete because its not a concept in regular usage. Islamofascism on the other hand is a word that has a great deal of usage. That being said, the Islamofascism article should be about what people mean when they say the term and who uses the term NOT an article describing Islamic fundamentalism in its many forms, which may or may not fall into what is meant by the users of the term. Islamofascism is not the place for a political analysis of the religion of Islam, only a place for what the term itself means and who uses it. I favor the move to Slogan: for that reason. Now the contents should be changed to reflect that new title. Ark30inf 22:24, 24 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Take a look at my attempt to salvage the article first. I moved it to Slogan: Judeofascism and tried (perhaps in vain) to transform its polemecism into a neutral article ABOUT the polemics. Vicki, if you say it goes, I will vote with you. --Uncle Ed 21:03, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • "Handful of bloggers" = unencyclopedic. Delete. Good stuff on the NPOV though. -- Cyan 22:33, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Of course it should be deleted, but so should Islamofascism which is just a poor quality op-ed piece with no redeeming feature. I suspect that is the point being made by whoever created it. The argument that "Islamofascism" is used more often is a pretty weak one, given what the major uses are. Looking around the web, I think that the average intellectual level of pages using "Islamofascist/ism" is about the same as for the pages using "Zionazi/sm" (which btw gets 2250 Google hits).
    • I agree-- its another ethnic slur, ahd Ive listed it at the bottom--lets see if these two are treated with some reasoned consistency. 戴&#30505sv 07:41, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • I agree, delete any article which is about "prefix-facism" or divert them to them all to apge on perjorative poitical slogans. One reason is that such articles will always be controversial Giving them an article will always be inviting unnecessary political debate. Furthermore such titles are inherently POV and no matter how carefully the subsequent article is worded it cannot avoid the same slur. ping 08:03, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • See List of perjorative political slogans, which now contains short entries on both of these, but is still marked as being listed here. [1]
    • Redirect, not delete, but the redirect ought to be protected! --Ruhrjung 09:42, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Khranus DO NOT DELETE. In many peoples' opinions, any state that uses as much violence as Israel or Saudi Arabia can easily be compared to Ancient Rome, Mussolini and the Nazis. To describe this as 'Anti-Semitism' is ludicrous. I'm half-Hebrew myself (my father is Jewish), and I find it insulting personally that so many people associate the entire Hebrew people with a militaristic and greedy nation like Israel. They do not represent all Jews by any means. Albert Einstein, a Jew by blood (agnostic by religion), deplored Zionism and hated all forms of warfare and violence. To associate the entire Jewish peopl with the Nation of Israel and call it 'anti-semitism' to be anti-israel is INSULTING to at least me and many other Hebrew people I know--and is a form of outright RACISM. The very fact that anyone would vote to delete and anti-war node on this site is disturbing. Shame on you.

Bah. I'm tempted to redirect both Islamofascism and Judeofascism to Godwin's law, but that'd probably be expressing a POV... Martin 23:09, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I deleted the Godwin's Law mention, because both terms DO NOT fail Godwin's law. Fascism refers more to Mussolini's style of government than the Nazi style of government, generally referred to as Naziism or Nazism.These terms make a comparison to the Roman Imperialist system more than anything else.Even then, Godwin's law is bullshit, and there's nothing objective about it. -user Khranus

I rolled back this change Khranus -- you need to get a grip on some community values before you start hacking away. Not that you wont make a great contributor-- I just need to let you know that you need to learn some of the rules-- sign you stuff (again) and format your text, and take things with a grain of salt, son. 戴&#30505sv 03:51, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I feel a lot happier with Islamofacism coming under this heading. To stand on its own as an article always gave it pseudo-respectability as real topic.ping 06:13, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I don't think "environmentalist wacko" fits the bill. It just a meaningful combination of two common words. It is also the usage of a single person as far as this addition indicates. --Zero 13:05, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I am not too sure myself, but I think it might be a good idea to have some examples here for comparison - perhaps more examples could help understand how public defamation works? However, I don't agree that it is just a meaningful combination - it sounds very derogatory to me. How about Limbaugh's glorious term Feminazi? Kosebamse 13:21, 16 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I think the more examples there are on this page the better. Having a whole collection of Perjorative Slogans dilutes the sheer offensiveness of any one of them. Definitely add feminazi, I like it. ping 05:50, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Go ahead, ping, it's a wiki. I unfortunately don't have the time right now but am curious to see if this will become something interesting, I think it's going the right direction. Kosebamse 05:56, 17 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Why the neutrality dispute? — No-One Jones (talk) 16:21, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Seems neutral enough to me but I am somewhat biased. ping 06:35, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

A great deal of this page is US-centric and self-indulgent, in particular sections that make reference to insignificant persons such as talk radio hosts. Anyone can sling mud; that doesn't mean it's worth including in an article and thereby validating it. Jeeves 23:46, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

The hope is that the title of the page "perjorative political Slogans" makes it clear that we are not validating or in anyway supporting the people who coin the phrases, As for the page being US-centric, you have a point there. However the slogans are all culled from the media and the US makes most of the noise in the world's media. Jeeves, feel free to add whatever slogans you can think of from whatever country you are based in, the more the better. ping 07:57, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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Not slogans

Not one of the things on this page is a slogan. A slogan is a phrase that states or implies action/activity of some kind, not merely a descriptive appelation. "Better dead than red" is a slogan. "My president is Charlton Heston" is a slogan. "America: Love it or leave it" is a slogan. (Mind you, these are all extremist right-wing slogans). Maybe we should call the page "List of pejorative political designations"? jaknouse 01:52, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

If the page is about to be renamed, consider also renaming it to something without "List of". Nikola 05:57, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  • I feel that your definition of a slogan is narrower than mine. According to Collins Dict it is merely "a distinctive or topical phrase used in politics or advertising" which does cover most of these.

Incidentally some of the recent edits or additions have been quite USA-centric and losing balance thereby. I shall do some work on them. ping 08:48, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

how about 'list of political slurs'? we have 'list of sexual slurs' and 'list of ethnic slurs' already.

I agree that "List of..." should be removed from this article's title. See the Category:Lists of terms that this page used to be in. It isn't anymore because it really doesn't fit with the style of the pages there. (In fact, the Category is in need of a massive renaming effort because many a "List" page there is actually a glossary, and vice-versa.) - dcljr 02:58, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)


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Islamofascism

I've changed the Islamofascism entry. Basically, it included a lot of irrelevant and POV accusations of Islamofascism against particular organizations, a lot of irrelevant details about the actions of one man (Al Husayni), as though he represents a religion of billions, and it was generally too accepting and apologetic of the terms, as compared to Judeofascism's entry. And the Ba'ath party is not based upon the Nazi party.

These are perjorative slogans, not objective terms, so we shouldn't try to apologize for them or justify them. --style 15:28, 2004 Oct 24 (UTC)

I've removed the cleanup tag, because I couldn't tell the precise reason it was placed there to begin with. If it is because of the large size of the file, then I propose splitting the article in two (1) description of pejorative political slogans/terms, and (2) a list of such terms. Also, some terms in the list have presumably non-pejorative uses, and perhaps that should be noted. Finally, if the article is still too long, perhaps the article should be split by country. --ngchen 16:45, 2004 Oct 24

I just wanted to say that this article is informative and remarkably balanced, all things considered. Kudos to all editors involved! Adambisset 20:40, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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